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      CommentAuthorjdoc
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006 edited
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    Does anyone know if there's a service that offers stock pick aggregation? Specifically, I am looking at something that would provide you with real-time and/or daily e-mail updates of stock picks that are available via the web (be they free or subscriber based).

    I personally would love to know as soon as possible when Ken Fisher, Gene Marcial and the like bring out their new recommendations so I can capitalize on their insights.

    I also would want to know the performance of each picker: both in absolute time series terms (1 month, 3 months, ..., 5 years) and relative terms (against each other, the indices, etc.).

    Anyone else think this is a good idea? Want to help me built it? :-)

    I'm not too sure about any legal/copyright issues for picks that are for subscribers only; I have a feeling it may be a problem but I don't know if it's any different than what people do for books - synposize them and sell 'concept maps'.

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      CommentAuthorEric
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    If we build it we should call it "Stockr"

    Ok seriously though, I've never seen anything like this. I think it's a great idea, but is there really an adopted standard for stock picks used by all the analysts? That's the real hiccup.

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      CommentAuthorKMulligan
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    Sounds interesting... I would definitely be in. Not sure how, but I'm in nonetheless.

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      CommentAuthorTravis
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    Yeah, it'd be great if there were something that aggregated Google Finance, the Motley Fool, Bloomberg, and all the other tickers. But would something like this not already exist? Where do traders get their tips now?

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      CommentAuthorEric
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    He's talking about stock recommendations - those aren't just placed out in the open on Google.

    I had an idea once and got about 2/3rds of the way done with it before I got on the outs with my programmer. It was actually an idea my dad had and he and I tried to put it into effect.

    Basically we had been having great luck buying stocks, regardless of recommendation, that were spiking up or down in price and experiencing heavier than average volume. Sounds like a risky theory, but the program we were creating would send us alerts on ticker symbols VERY early in the day, sometimes just moments after the market opened on these heavy movers. If you buy early enough you can ride the days wave. It's risky, but that's the nature of the beast. It was proving to be quite the system.

    Anyways, lets just say the programmer had on this project...changed. So it went by the wayside and we moved on, but it's still a good idea if someone could get it programmed properly.

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      CommentAuthorTravis
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    A couple issues back, Business 2.0 mentioned a company that has developed different algorithms to predict the weather. They're now licensing their technology to many media outlets.

    They based their predictions upon the weather of yesteryear, traffic conditions, news, etc... And are supposedly able to pretty accurately nail their predictions several months ahead of the date.

    Something like that for stocks, to not only aggregate other sources but analyze them as well and present a prediction based upon a formulaic process, would be pretty damn cool.

    With enough brainstorming and a brilliant engineer, this could really come to life.

    Original Young Go Getter
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      CommentAuthorEric
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    I agree - can you imagine how much you could command for this type of product if it worked even 70% of the time?

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      CommentAuthorTravis
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    Yeah, such a site/service would demand quite an audience. Unfortunately, www.justahunch.com is taken. lol

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      CommentAuthorEric
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2006
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    Damn, that would have been a great name

    So...anyone know a good programmer interested in working for a share of future profits? :)

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      CommentAuthorjdoc
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2006
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    Posted By: EricDamn, that would have been a great name

    So...anyone know a good programmer interested in working for a share of future profits? :)

    Heh, maybe - I know quite a few (being one myself by training), but we'd need to flesh this out a bit more. :-)

    It looks like we've got some rather different ideas about this. I was talking about looking at proven stock pickers recommendations and providing that aggregated information to people who would pay us for that information in a convenient package (the reasoning being they have shown over time sustainable abnormal returns).

    It sounds like you guys are more interested in coming up with automated algorithms that can capitalize on the volatilty of the markets. I've done that in the past with my company and while I am very interested in its potential I think something like that takes a fair bit of dedication to get things working really well. I toy with making something like that a Master's topic in Finance or Math so I can get paid to work on it :-)

    Travis, I must have missed that article because that's very interesting - meterological prediction is view the holy grail by many mathematical and statistical types due to the inherent nonlinear noise in such a system. My company's technology did some early work on this in terms of pollution propagation after a contamination leak from a plant, given nearby water, land, weather conditions, etc. If they have been able to predict so far ahead with good accuracy, then they should definitely turn that on its head and use it in the financial realm (where the randomness has become much more accurately defined compared to weather models).

    Anyway, I'd be interested in a) seeing if we can actually aggregate these sources without being sued, and then b) seeing if we can use this aggregation to our own advantage programmatically. I personally think we could use their historical performance on stock picks the day, week, month, etc. after and in a fairly manual way outperform the markets. Adding automatic analysis and decision making would only help.

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    • CommentAuthorAudarius
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2006
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    I think I get what you're saying and it sounds interesting. Also, fairly simple.

    Personally I don't think you should charge to view the content, I think this calls for a more creative revenue model. If you can make it into an open community, you can create a strong foundation and high user feedback. Actually, I can see the stock pick aggregation as more of an open source community, which can insure its perpetuality and high content. I highly recommend the open source marketing approach.

    Can you give me an example source you would aggregate and be scared of getting sued over?

    I can see something designed with a main customized stock pick aggregation, on top of that your optional auto-analytics and decision-making, and then a user aggregation. Users can submit their own stock picking strategies or improve on others, while using the tools of analytics and decision-making. Invaluable. Content can be always fresh, moving with the volatile markets (Very important). This is a start, so I'm going to stop here.

    If you find this interesting, I can talk more about it.

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      CommentAuthorjdoc
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2006
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    Hi Audarius,

    Thanks for your comments. What you describe is pretty close to Marketocracy's model. While I think there's a place for such types of services, it's not where my head's at.

    In my mind, one of the biggest drawbacks to such schemes in fnance is the fact that the more people who operate on the same strategy in the same marketplace, the less effective said strategy is at delivering superior performance. This is why a lot of stocks have a quick jump when a popular stock picker recommends them. Good stock picks (and pickers) provide good returns over the long term, so there's no need to get in that first day. Part of what I'm proposing would involve providing historical time series information on previous picks for various pickers. This way you could see how much stocks drop for various pickers after the initial flurry of activity, so determine an appropriate time to get into the stock.

    While what I describe is simple, that's part of the reason I like it - it is something that seemingly few (if any) systems taking advantage of the collective information already out there (at least that is accessible to retail investors). We are adding value simply by making it easier to access, analyze and synthesize this vast array of information. If it works really well, there's a good chance I'd rather just use the system as is for myself and others who are involved since we'll probably make more money using it ourselves then we could get by selling the information to others.

    As for some of the people I am worried about being sued for: I was thinking like if I went and subscribed to some of TheStreet's analysts and then passed on that information to other consumers, if that would violate my subscription agreement (kinda like violating music copyright).

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